Hello, everybody, I’m home from Las Vegas and in “hurricane prep” mode. I’m snacking and doing laundry. I’ll be making book recommendations on Twitter, later today, so be sure to follow me for round the clock coverage of my ordinary life.

I’m also reflecting on my whirlwind trip to Las Vegas. By the time the conference got into high gear, I was packed and headed for the airport. However, I did see a ton of old friends and colleagues. I briefly walked the expo floor as they were setting up, and I heard LAURIE LAURIE LAURIE LAURIE LAURIE LAURIE as I sauntered down the aisles. Then I attended a few parties and also heard LAURIE LAURIE LAURIE LAURIE LAURIE LAURIE.

People weren’t chanting for me. They were trying to grab my attention, say hello, and share stories about their lives. And I don’t mind bumping into my colleagues except so many people are totally fucking miserable, right now. Men and women with high-level roles in big corporations are exhausted and ready to head to the nearest competitor in 2019 once their bonuses are paid out.

“Don’t you work for one of the best companies in America?” I asked a friend.

“Yeah, it’s great how they shove it down your throat all day long.”

Yowza, work is messy. Work can suck for everybody including people who stand on stage and talk about creating healthy work environments and human-centric employee experiences. So, because I’m a burgeoning writer, I jot down notes and ideas. Here are some of the things I wrote on my iPhone over the past few days:

“Don’t worry about your job, worry about your soul.”
“Artificial intelligence isn’t fact, it isn’t an opinion, it’s a lie we tell ourselves because we don’t have real answers, yet.”
“You matter. Your job only matters because you matter. You would matter without your job.”
“Chatbots are a step backward. It’s wrong to sell depersonalization as personalization.”
“What if we could reboot our lives like we reboot our laptops?”
“Does Vegas make you lose your mind?”
“HR EX is the barometer for EX at a company.”

I’m not Bob Woodward, but lots of people in my field are exhausted. If the best and brightest individuals in the field of human resources can’t fix their own work experiences, how can they fix work for you? The answer is that they can’t. Nobody can fix your work experience except you. And you’ll do it by prioritizing your values and putting yourself first.

Just wish I could get my colleagues to see it that way, too.


There’s a hurricane headed my way, and I’m sitting in my hotel room killing a few hours before heading to the airport. I’m thinking about all the times I’ve come to Las Vegas for technology conferences and human resources events that promise to change the world and make employees happy, and then all the times I leave shaking my head and wondering why I show up at all.

This is not my tribe. These are not my people.

My people believe corporations can’t be trusted. We know that leaders would screw you over to save a nickel. And the only way to change the world is to show up for the people you love, commit to improving your community, and fight anybody who gets in your way.

So what the heck am I doing in Las Vegas? Why do I keep showing up?

Well, for starters, I’m in debt. I need to pay off the expenses of my failed technology company without touching my family’s savings accounts. So, I’m here in Las Vegas to find work in my industry as a content marketer. And it’s a mixed bag because I’m a strong writer with substantial relationships in an industry that frustrates the crap out of me. Maybe that’s why I can’t pay off this damn debt. Hard to do business development while being suspicious of someone who’s bragging about the innovation behind a chatbot. But I’d like to clear the decks on this debt before my husband clears the decks on me, is all I’m saying. So that’s reason number one why I’m here in Las Vegas.

The second reason is that I love my friends. I worked with a ton of awesome HR leaders and technologists. And even though I want to barf everytime someone talks about the intersection of AI and talent acquisition strategies, I love my colleagues and want them to change the world. And, in my mind, they can’t be effective without my nagging (aka my contrarian POV). Do you want an effective talent acquisition strategy? Don’t be racist or sexist. Stand the fuck up when it matters. Vote with your feet and work somewhere else if you hate your job. I’ve got plenty of platitudes, and, in my mind, these people need me. THEY NEED ME IN ALL CAPS.

But mostly I’m in Vegas because I can’t write a book about “work” or do a podcast if I don’t stay close to the world of work. And I need the inside scoop to help employees and even leaders fix work. This is what I’ve learned:

Sometimes the inside scoop feels like we will be okay, but mostly it feels like we’re fucked. It’s not just that skills don’t align with the needs of the marketplace. It’s that companies don’t value what humans have to offer. There’s an expectations gap, and I believe we need basic income and universal healthcare faster than ever. However, we don’t have the intellectual rigor to understand that wealth is hoarded, work is broken, and that our physical efforts at “work” will never yield financial security for most Americans.

Dark? Dystopian? Cynical? Sure, but at least I got to see my friends and colleagues in Las Vegas. Here’s hoping that my friendships and professional relationships endure and that I’m wrong about work, wrong about tech, and wrong about human resources.

Now does anybody need a blog post? How about a whitepaper?


Did you know that a business has many of the same dynamics as a marriage? Everything that happens in a marriage (the good and the bad) is no different from what you can expect when running a business. Now, if you think keeping your business and marriage afloat is tough, just wait until you come face to face with toxic masculinity in the workplace. There’s never a dull moment in today’s podcast as Laurie invites President of, William Tincup, to dive into the art and science of entrepreneurship — and how we have to do better to end toxic male behavior in the workplace.

  • Laurie has known William Tincup for years and regards him as a friend and a mentor, a man of many talents who has always given her sound advice based on his many years of experience as an entrepreneur.
  • Today, William and Laurie share their experiences and take a critical look at startups, entrepreneurship, and how to address and amend toxic masculinity in the workplace. They also talk a little about art!
  • A business is a vehicle for relationships where people exchange services for monetary gain. But before you dive into creating a business, you always have to START somewhere first. There are several things to consider before starting a business and, contrary to popular belief, you do not make it as an entrepreneur with sheer passion alone. You can’t give what you don’t have, so if you only have the passion to run your business, it’s going to fall short on other aspects.

Critical considerations that are required before creating your own startup:

  • What do you name your company? Do you take the realistic route, where your website name spells out what services you provide? Or do you go for the more abstract approach and come up with a witty made-up word that tells a good story about what your company does? Well, of course, the name of your business is important, but it’s not nearly as vital as your business’s brand being memorable. Both choices have their merits, as long as you create a memorable business, service and brand.
  • Likeability + Compelling = Memorable… and then convert “memorable” into revenue. You’ll need to find the perfect balance between the art and the science of a startup. Think of it this way: the “Science” aspect is product development, the “Art” aspect is marketing and delivering the product – both need to be in sync with each other for the coherent whole to work.
  • Great communication is where most companies struggle. William Tincup forwards one reason for this poor communication: that men are not exactly the best communicators. It is difficult for them to learn to apologize, and sometimes even give a proper compliment when it is merited. So, what can men do to change for the better? Tincup has one crucial strategy to begin: men need to STOP interrupting, talking over, and ignoring women when they are sharing their ideas and opinions. No more mansplaining, guys! And it’s up to other men to call it out in their peers.
  • There’s nothing easy about being an entrepreneur. You need to put in your best effort to service your customers and treat your employees well. The hustle never stops and the decisions don’t come easy. If you’re launching a startup because you think it’s going to be easy, consider this your first warning!

There is so much work left ahead of us to make work a better place for all. It can be discouraging, which is why it’s extremely important to remember that nothing worth doing is ever easy. Keep fighting the good entrepreneurial fight — it’s never too late to do your part to fix work for everyone.

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Hey, everybody. My industry — human resources technology — is full of experts, thought leaders and influencers. Every industry has people who move the needle, either behind the scenes or out in public, and HR is no different. Think of all the beauty bloggers, crafty moms on Pinterest, and fitspo Instagrammers.

Up until recently, nobody described this aspect of our industry until a magazine called Workforce took a swing at describing “influence.” The journalist who wrote the story, Michelle V. Rafter, is a seasoned reporter who understands the business of HR and technology. She used the words expert, thought leader, and influencer with precision and rigor.

And it turns out that I’m an influencer, lucky me.

Listen, nobody takes an influencer list seriously except the people who feel like they should be on the list and aren’t. But I’m smart enough to know that my words and actions carry importance in my community. So you’ll often see me using my platform to amplify stories and advocate on behalf of causes (or people) who mean the world to me.

That’s why I stole the influencer image from the Workforce article and made t-shirts to help support my colleague, Mollie Lombardi, who was diagnosed with Parkison’s Disease but fights to stay fit and active.

Mollie is the ultimate influencer — someone who influences the influential — and she runs a charity endeavor called #HRGivesBack. If you want to give the finger to Parkinson’s as I do, please buy one of my limited-edition t-shirts. They’re $25, and you can contact me at to place an order.

There’s a limited quantity available, and all proceeds benefit #HRGivesBack and Team Fox.

Mollie’s mission is so important to me that my friend, Lenny Terenzi of Hey Monkey Design, was moved to donate his time and energy to rush the production of these shirts for the HR Technology Conference & Exposition. He gave me a super-awesome discount and got the job done in less than a few days, so if you want me to bring your shirt to Vegas, just let me know.

TL;DR Influence in a void of narcissistic emptiness — on Facebook, Instagram, or even in your mind — is power wasted. If someone ever calls you an influencer, don’t blow it. Use your position in the community to do good work for someone else.

Now let’s raise some money for #HRGivesBack.

[📷by Kathy Howard Portrait]


You’re not getting enough sleep.

After twenty years of working in the field of human resources, I think that lack-of-sleep accounts for a majority of work-related problems and conflicts.

I have an inbox of inquiries from readers who can’t get along with coworkers, have difficulty articulating their ideas, and can’t connect with a sense of passion or meaning. And the language used to describe these problems is exaggerated, hyperbolic, and absurd.

People who get enough sleep might feel irritated about work because they are adults; however, they don’t have the types of issues that are in my email account. I’m contacted by people who are having extremely irrational meltdowns and disrespected and displaced by colleagues, vendors, or even local executive teams.

So that you know, a “local executive team” is never truly an executive team. People who get enough sleep can see that a local executive team is a name to make a regionally-confined group of people feel better about themselves. It’s a trick. They have nowhere else to go in the company, or they can’t relocate. You should laugh at those suckers who take pride in such a bullshit system meant to appease people who have limited internal mobility.

But, no, you’re going to freak out.

When you’re rested and balanced, it’s easier to analyze what’s happening, prioritize the situation, and determine if a response is vital. And if an answer is required, a person who gets enough sleep doesn’t plot revenge. Or, if she does, it’s the kind of revenge where you give no fucks, and you live your best life out in the open.

Every poor decision I’ve ever made in my life can be attributed to lack of sleep. Yelling at my partner. Being irritable and disrespectful to colleagues at work. Eating like crap during the day and then eating like crap once I was home from the office. Pumping myself full of drugs — for my wacky digestive system, for my mood, for my irrational life — instead of getting more sleep.

Getting enough sleep means designing a life where you can rest. And for a while, it was hard for me to believe that I was the only one responsible for resetting my body clock. But once I committed to more sleep, the rest of my life fell into place.

So, how do you get over insomnia-anxiety-life-is-too-busy-kids-suck sleeping patterns? Lots of proper research on how to get more sleep. Eliminate caffeine. Get more cardio earlier in the day. Drink more water. Get to bed at the same time every night and wake up at the same time in the morning. No electronic devices for a few hours before bedtime. Don’t do anything other than sleep in your bed. If you can’t sleep, practice mindfulness.

The best advice that was given to me? Create a simple mantra to repeat in my head when I wake up in the middle of the night. Say it over and over again until I fall back asleep. So, whenever I wake up, I tell myself—I’m happy, I’m safe, I’m loved.

Corny, but I say it no more than a few times, and I’m back to sleep. It truly works. Do you have a mantra like that? Could you try it?

If you have kids, you might also accept the fact that you’re not going to sleep normally for a while and design other aspects of your life to be less stressful. If you know that you can only sleep four hours each night because a three-year-old dictator runs your life, why are you overscheduling your days?

All of my insights and advice are useless if you don’t choose to prioritize your wellbeing and take back your sleep-cycle. We’re all victims of a busy world, and competing interests fracture our attention and energy for our time and attention. But if you don’t choose sleep, nobody will choose it for you.

And the longer you walk around like a zombie, the more you suffer. Isn’t it time to try something a little different and get another hour or two of sleep? I’m rooting for you, and so is my email inbox.


Sometimes we get so bogged down hyper-analyzing the simplest questions, that we miss the obvious answers. “Do you love your job?” Your answer determines whether or not you’ve found the right place to cultivate your ever-evolving career, and it’s time to talk about it. Join our host/resident HR nerd and her guest, the former head of talent at Netflix (back when it was a mail-order DVD company — years before “Netflix and chill”) Patty McCord as they dive deep into understanding the world of work now, its future, and why you have to take charge of your career.

  • So, who is Patty McCord and why is she a big deal? For starters, she created the Netflix Culture Deck, which is a PowerPoint deck on culture that went viral years ago and is downright legendary in the business world. She is the HR equivalent of Margaret Mead, with her cultural anthropologist approach to the wonderful (if sometimes nasty) world of work.
  • Since leaving to forge her own path in 2012, Patty has been working hard to change the infrastructure of corporate culture at several high-level companies to create the positive change she wanted to see in society.
  • Patty is a feminist, thought leader, author, and an advocate of practicing radical honesty to move past the fundamentally broken way we manage people at work. Her book, Powerful: Building a Culture of Freedom and Responsibility, which is pretty much the hitchhiker’s guide to understanding Netflix’s work culture has been (as the title suggests) a powerful tool in transforming companies into high performing and high earning organizations.

Laurie and Patty share a conversation full of wisdom bombs — often touching upon the kinds of lessons you probably already know but all too often forget to pay much attention to.

  • The way we manage people is an HR nightmare. How are workers even expected to stay and love their jobs when they’re not treated like professionals? Seriously, these folks aren’t children, they deserve a better working environment where they are free to own their career and commit to their work.
  • Those times when employees went home saying: “Work was great today!” There is a way to replicate that. It’s called: “Let your professionals do the work they’re GREAT at!” If they’re not doing a great job, then they’re not a good fit, and that’s on you.
  • Hiring the right person for the job boils down to finding fully-formed adults. Since the world of work is always changing, you have to get people who are already whole and are ready to evolve with the company.
  • What’s the future of work and how does automation fit in all this? Don’t fear the future, don’t fear the unknown. Learn to say, “Things are changing. Is it better? How can we make it better?” There’s always room for improvement and that should be the goal of any scaling company.

The key takeaway from this episode is the more we learn to adapt and grow, the better off we’ll be as employers and employees. There’s really no point in subjecting yourself to the sheer torture of working for an organization that doesn’t treat you right. When you’re not being treated right, then you’re not in the right place. Laurie and Patty are firm believers in owning your career and calling the shots, so get on with it — you’re a professional, own your career.

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A recent study reports that no alcohol is good for your health, which is terrible news for everybody who has a real job and wants to decompress.

Unfortunately, the news is true. Forget the French, forget your wine club, forget the beverage industry’s claims that beer is good after running. Not even a moderate amount of alcohol is worth the risk to your body. It turns out that sitting isn’t the new smoking. Drinking is the new smoking.

As someone trying to retire from alcohol, I am acutely aware of the pros and cons of drinking. Love champagne, hate a champagne headache. Love the margarita, hate the salt-bloat. Love the feeling of forgetting my problems, hate when I wake up from alcohol-induced anxiety at 3 o’clock in the morning and remember my obstacles are still there.

Adulthood is a tricky thing. Once you know that something has no upside, it’s hard to see anything but the downside.


There are so many things we do that are bad for us — or just don’t work — and yet we do them, anyway. Think about your job.

Interviews don’t correlate to performance, but we compel candidates to dress up in their fanciest business attire and roll into our offices and ask a bunch of dumb questions like we’re oracles and can predict the truth.

Performance reviews are garbage and don’t get to the heart of achievements, outcomes or obstacles; however, don’t tell that to the boss who thinks he’s doing you a favor by sitting down with you regularly and giving you feedback.

Wellness plans don’t deliver. They try to reward us for being healthy — and some companies offer to cook us healthy meals in the cafeteria — while still forcing us to commute to work, shoving us into open-office work environments, and making us sit all day in long meetings that don’t need to happen.

It’s not hard to see why so many people ignore science and drink socially or excessively. Spirits are worn away by a society that doesn’t bend or flex to commonsense or science. And it’s hard to fight back against nameless and faceless people who run corporations that make our lives harder. Much easier alter reality for a few moments than to change our careers and our lives permanently.

But I’m done with short-term fixes that never entirely fix things.

Now that I know that alcohol is mostly bad for society, I’m trying to make better choices. It’s not easy, but I’d rather be brutally honest than pretend that “moderation” is okay. While I’m not going to wave the temperance flag and badger other people about their choices, I’m not going to let the beverage industries profit and win because I’ve lied to myself about the benefits of drinking. The same people who say that it’s never been proven that drinking is bad for pregnant mothers are the ones who tell me that moderation is okay.

Do I look stupid here?

So, these are the things I won’t lie to myself about: Smoking. Drinking. Eating meat. Pretending that HR/corporate methods are useful.

What’s on your list?


How many people enjoy reading self-help and business books? I can’t imagine many.

(I’m burned out, myself.)

A few weeks ago, I finished my book proposal for “Let’s Fix Work,” and it includes an introduction, author bio, an overview of the audience, a marketing plan, competitive analysis of similar books that sold well, book specs, a chapter outline, and a sample chapter.

Honestly, I’m not trying to write a self-help or business book. I’ve had to read about a dozen to understand my competition, and most of them are horrible.

On the business book side, they are mainly dull and dry. Authors want to establish themselves as experts and write in a formal, unapproachable tone. When it comes to life-hack books, I think it seems uncool and shady to follow a formula where the author tells her own pathetic story, swears at her readers to motivate them, and tries to seem edgy while taking their money.

(No thanks. If that’s the game, I want no part of it.)

What do you think of business books and self-help books? What do you like? What bugs you?

My book tries to make the case that work is broken because you’re broken. Do you want to fix your job? Fix yourself and put yourself first. Deprioritize your job title and reconnect with your community. Bet on yourself. Fix your money. Prioritize happiness and contentment. Put your physical and emotional wellbeing first. Blah blah blah.

My book isn’t a self-help book or a traditional business guide. It’s just an attempt to help you reframe your current situation. It’s a list of ideas and suggestions. Take it or leave it.

(I hope you take it. I hope someone takes it. Part of being a big sister is realizing that no one listens to you.)

Now, having done the competitive analysis portion of my book proposal, I know there are things that I won’t do with my book.

First off, I won’t pretend that I’m a therapist. If I watch another Instagram story from a self-help guru who offers clinical advice in a pretty font, I’m seriously going to lose it. Therapeutic advice from a writer who isn’t a therapist is fraudulent.

Second, I won’t commoditize life’s obstacles and offer a neatly packaged solution. There are authors and gurus out there who have trademarked issues like impostor syndrome®™ and social anxiety®™ with the goal of offering five simple steps to fixing your life. I think that’s malpractice. Also, what if you are an impostor? Maybe you should own up to that and start living a more authentic life, yo.

(I’ve got my work cut out for me.)

The good news is that literary agents are interested, and I start traveling to meet them after Labor Day. I’m also traveling for work — attending conferences and meeting with clients — and can begin my marketing plan right now.

The bad news is that this book proposal has ruined my personal reading goals, and I’ve been inspired-to-death. It’s nearly impossible to pick up my Kindle, right now, and get excited about my library. So, if you have any YA book recommendations, I’ll take ’em.

What’s good? What are you reading that you love? I need to get my mind off fixing work for a few weeks while I’m traipsing around on planes trying to lock down an agent and sell this manuscript.


When kindred spirits come together in a community, ideas and dreams blossom, passion gets amplified, accountability and empowerment surges, and the problems? Well, they become less daunting. In this episode, Laurie has a great conversation with a dear friend, a cult legend in the online-community building world, Ryan Paugh. Laurie and Ryan share how they met, what Ryan’s role is as a community builder, and why communities are essential in fixing the broken wheel that is work.

  • After a few years of working for corporate America, Ryan dove into the startup arena where he felt his passion for helping others would contribute more – this was his first step in his epic entrepreneurial journey.
  • He created Brazen Careerist, which started out as a community for young professionals looking to find their place in the corporate world, where they can find answers and support from peers and other like-minded individuals. Long story short, Brazen was a success but eventually rebranded into an SAS technology product, which now serves as a peer-to-peer speed networking platform.
  • As the product shifted away from its community-based roots, Ryan decided to walk a different path, but kept the burning passion to create better communities to support the next generation of highly driven leaders. He eventually became the co-founder and COO of The Community Company.
  • Along with his business partner and co-author of Superconnector, Scott Gerber, they went on to build several outstanding communities for different organizations like business executives, youth leaders, and entrepreneurs such as YEC and the Forbes Council which includes the Forbes Human Resources Council, where members are encouraged to support, engage, and pick each other’s brains.
  • Why did Ryan focus on community building? Well, everyone is part of a community in some way or another. We are social beings after all. Ryan believes that in being part of a community, we are given the opportunity to learn and impart vital lessons and experiences that nurture us into the people we are now. He says, “Give,” because he believes that there’s so much more to living than just getting something.
  • Life and people aren’t meant to be boxed up in a simple transaction of give and take. We are much more complex than that – we have feelings, aspirations, and lives outside of the grind. This is why Ryan feels work has more… work to do in a community and culture building aspect. “You’re here to work and not to make friends,” is a typical feel at the office, but we DO need to build relationships in the workplace to grow into more productive members of the organization.
  • Work is broken because it has been reduced to a means to an end; a paycheck for hours, nothing more than a simple transaction of, “if you do this, you get this.”
  • Laurie shares Ryan’s sentiment that there’s more to work than just earning the money. That by limiting someone’s identity to a mere “bringer of bacon” a.k.a “corporate zombie” they have subsequently limited that individual’s potential to contribute to the organization’s greater cause. You see, when people see past the money and embrace purpose, when they are allowed to invest in things that they truly value, there’s a greater opportunity to create a positive and lasting legacy for others to follow or replicate.
  • As a veteran community builder, Ryan believes that a good community must have an element of trust from the top-down. Ask anyone who knows Ryan and they’ll immediately say how helpful and encouraging he is despite his being a company co-founder. More than developing the products, organizations should look into nurturing its workers on a deeper level. People at the bottom makes the most impact, so it is important that they are set up for success throughout their stay in the company and, hopefully, even when they transition into something else. He dives deep into this “building relationships that matter” philosophy in his book, Superconnector.
  • Ryan and Laurie are aware though that most people are still stuck in the old ways and find processes to be difficult to build – and even harder to implement – but it doesn’t have to be that way and we can all to do better.

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I’m heading to the 2018 HR Technology Conference & Exhibition because I’m excited about the pitchfest.

Generally speaking, pitchfests are a popular way for founders to present their new technology to captive audiences. You stand on stage for three minutes and tell people why your product will change the world.

It’s such a fun experience to watch. Sometimes the founders are PhDs from ivy league schools who feel more comfortable behind a laptop than on the stage. Other times, English is a second (or fourth) language for the speaker, and they face a one-two punch of being nervous because they’re standing on stage and, also, communicating in a foreign style.

Then some judges act like members of Shark Tank. Once the founder’s presentation is over, they ask questions about the new piece of technology. Some of the questions are nice, some are aggressive, and sometimes the judges will interject their opinions and tell the founder why she’ll fail. That’s always awkward because you’ve got someone who is an entrepreneur being lectured by someone who isn’t. Bring snacks.

My favorite thing about a pitchfest is looking at company names. This year, thirty companies are presenting at HR Tech. Their names are:

CompensationCloud, Inc
AskHR, a division of Audseb
Colleago Pty Ltd
Alyss Analytics
Knowledge Perks
Raven Intel
Swarm Vision
BioGrp Technology

Some of the names are awesome, some sound like pharmaceutical companies, and some are just weird. But it’s 2018 and hard to create a signature name and value proposition and find a matching domain.

My old tech company, GlitchPath, had a perfect name. In fact, an investor told me that it was the best thing about our platform. If only I could build something better to help people find a pathway out of their glitches, I’d have an excellent little technology company in three years and exit with $10MM.

Ah, feedback.

Good luck to all the companies participating in the pitchfest at HR Tech. If anybody needs my advice on how to communicate on stage or endure the conference, I’m here for you. The best thing to happen to the HR technology scene — and the entire industry, to be honest — is the burgeoning start-up market. I’m rooting for you all, and I would love to host the winner of the competition on my podcast.

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